tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post6440737804460350432..comments2023-06-14T02:00:19.132+01:00Comments on Sheepdogs & Wolves: Peel's PrinciplesMetcountymountyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-89128519908924158552008-04-18T01:31:00.000+01:002008-04-18T01:31:00.000+01:00I always thought that 9 was particularly relevant ...I always thought that 9 was particularly relevant in the current detection culture. <BR/><BR/>We had a pretty good year last year, reducing crime by quite a lot AND detecting quite a lot of it. It just bugs me that with no more resources, in fact fewer, we have to decrease crime AND increase detections again for the next year.<BR/><BR/>I am curious if anyone has extrapolated this trend and realised that high ranking heads might explode when they try to figure out why were aren't detecting no crime.<BR/><BR/>Nys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-29481177164289652952008-04-16T22:18:00.000+01:002008-04-16T22:18:00.000+01:00ordinary squaddie, I copied the list of the princi...ordinary squaddie, I copied the list of the principles from wikipedia and was aware of the spelling mistake, I thought it was typical that I couldn't quickly find them on any Police site!!<BR/><BR/>anon 0922, I remember my dad telling me about the various drill instructors and all arms courses that he went on, one of the points that they made specific emphasis was knowing EVERYTHING about your cap badge, your regiments history and battle honours. Instead of trying to sweep the past under the carpet, individual achievement is shared and recognised, even if the event itself didn't go as planned. Heaven forbid a Police officer is recognised for personal achievement after something like a riot or an incident that went pear shaped.<BR/><BR/>Thanks everyone for reading and your posts so far, I've got a few lined up so hopefully not too deep or depressing but I'll play it by ear! thanks again.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-21806154522873335232008-04-16T21:43:00.000+01:002008-04-16T21:43:00.000+01:00Peel's principals should be taught in schools. Or ...Peel's principals should be taught in schools. Or perhaps that would be against someone's human rights? Excellent blog! For what it's worth, I am not 'in the business' as it were, but an engineer on the outside. I see the Police do the good work just to have it unravelled by the niff-naff and scum that our PC-incorrect government does nothing about. <BR/><BR/>All the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-83467827807292877392008-04-16T21:42:00.000+01:002008-04-16T21:42:00.000+01:00I have Peels Principles writ large (well, A1 size)...I have Peels Principles writ large (well, A1 size) above my desk (well, my bit of worktop I call my own) and I have recently noticed an awful lot of one, two and three year bobbies reading them and walking away with a thoughtful expression. Peel's words still resonate and we should hold on to their sentiments for grim death. We know what we do. We know what we should do. We know what we joined to do. We know what They want us to be. And we mustn't sell out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-65034746282473506752008-04-16T09:22:00.000+01:002008-04-16T09:22:00.000+01:00Part of what makes the British Army great is that ...Part of what makes the British Army great is that you are taught the history of whatever Arm you join, Funny that Labour are doing there best to destroy that. But at least they seem to have a General willing to speak out a bit now, not like our Boss who hids away and has certainly locked Peels Principles away, he shows no sign of any back bone or leadership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-54018515944519085502008-04-16T00:12:00.000+01:002008-04-16T00:12:00.000+01:00Firstly, I love your blog, along with those of Nig...Firstly, I love your blog, along with those of Night Jack and Area Trace No Search. <BR/><BR/>That these basics are not more widely known and taught is sad but even worse, it is not surprising.<BR/><BR/>I do, however, find it shocking that you obviously had to cut and paste the principles from an American source (I would direct your attention to the spelling of "favo(u)r".<BR/><BR/>Ah well, sounds about right for the UK today.<BR/><BR/>OSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-22057786481299798262008-04-15T21:24:00.000+01:002008-04-15T21:24:00.000+01:00anon above, as I said all the parties have and wou...anon above, as I said all the parties have and would continue to try and bring the Police under more direct Government control. In their world they are top dog, and they absolutely hate the fact that in our world, where the rest of us live, that a Police officer has considerably more authority than they do and they have tried for years to get rid of our discretion and ability to operate effectively by undermining us with targets and bureaucracy.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-59645874549908532272008-04-15T20:45:00.000+01:002008-04-15T20:45:00.000+01:00My class instructors at Ashford Trg School in '83 ...My class instructors at Ashford Trg School in '83 made a point of us knowing Peel's principles and were tested on them throughout the 10 weeks course. One evening, when they joined us for a few beers in the bar, they were asked why they kept pushing these principles down our throats. We were told that once we stopped using them we would cease to be Police officers but just another arm of the State. It seems that the writing was on the wall that far back.<BR/>Brilliant blog. Keep it up.<BR/>PlodnomoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-88398010140795134622008-04-15T19:55:00.000+01:002008-04-15T19:55:00.000+01:00Remember the Tories brought in PACE, did away with...Remember the Tories brought in PACE, did away with rent allowance and a few other things. If only we had known about their allowances and expenses at the time. Bring on the revolution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-66031757513150940892008-04-15T19:29:00.000+01:002008-04-15T19:29:00.000+01:00Happy met copper- I'm led to believe that Snow Hil...Happy met copper- I'm led to believe that Snow Hill nick in CoL still has a bar.<BR/><BR/>MetCountyMounty - the closest I ever got to the principles of peel was standing in front of his statue and hearing "Class....SHOON!"Sam Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08982211506246626292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-88011071266679889302008-04-15T16:25:00.000+01:002008-04-15T16:25:00.000+01:00Nine principles that are still relevant today as t...Nine principles that are still relevant today as they were when written.<BR/>I love meeting coppers from other countries, that universal bond that we all share. I think that every overseas copper I have met is amazed at the kit that we do/do not carry. Mostly I have experienced that they are astoninshed we do not carry a firearm, and also our fascination with high visibility. 20 minutes is my record for someone talking continuously about the jacket I was wearing. <BR/><BR/>Regarding police bars, are there any left? Other than those in sport clubs. <BR/><BR/>Also does anyone remember how many bars Parliament has?Happy Met Copperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371263534796141942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-54062954403956512002008-04-15T14:36:00.000+01:002008-04-15T14:36:00.000+01:00I'm not sure to be honesty Chavisty, the Tories ha...I'm not sure to be honesty Chavisty, the Tories have always historically supported the Police although they, like every other party, have tried to bring the police under more direct control. What I am pretty sure is that having people in charge of the Police who spent their youth and working life hating us and working against us, is certainly not the right way to bring about change that is better for everyone in the UK.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-73798865638528692122008-04-15T14:27:00.000+01:002008-04-15T14:27:00.000+01:00I am not a copper and definately not a Labour supp...I am not a copper and definately not a Labour supporter by any stretch of the imagination. Do you think it would be any different under a conservative administration though with regard to the Police being micromanaged and the sheer amount of bullshit you have to put up with? <BR/>It would be nice to think that coppers could get back to proper Policing IE not wet wipe the arses of the underclass but give them a good slapping, same with the rest of the low life who make people's life a misery. <BR/>Well, I can dream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-47529825385667262662008-04-15T13:29:00.000+01:002008-04-15T13:29:00.000+01:00Good Blog ,Thanks for the link I have linked to yo...Good Blog ,Thanks for the link I have linked to you, stay safe!<BR/><BR/>RG.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10305694077050973153noreply@blogger.com