tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post4698522965292862233..comments2023-06-14T02:00:19.132+01:00Comments on Sheepdogs & Wolves: Is peaceful protest possible?Metcountymountyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-39671637064888230192009-02-02T00:37:00.000+00:002009-02-02T00:37:00.000+00:00xxx "Is peaceful protest possible?" xxxAye, and it...xxx "Is peaceful protest possible?" xxx<BR/><BR/>Aye, and it is pitty you weak kneed shower of "bosses back scratchers" do not try it instead of letting the bastards piss all over you wih "Equality tables" and "diversity courses" etc.<BR/><BR/>Get a fucking BACKBONE you shower of tossers.<BR/><BR/>Von Brandenburg-Preußen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-35417276082112856912009-01-29T14:49:00.000+00:002009-01-29T14:49:00.000+00:00Maybe the question you should ask is, "Is peaceful...Maybe the question you should ask is, "Is peaceful protest effective?"<BR/><BR/>You only need look at other movements throughout time to realise than in the face of such violent and intrusive state repression the end result can be only violence.<BR/><BR/>It is realistic to think that society only reflects the actions of those at the top layer of society, you cannot condemn violence whilst you send more soldiers into battle, do as I say not as I do...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-47429620506280917482009-01-26T23:35:00.000+00:002009-01-26T23:35:00.000+00:00we didn't have any protective gear on and were ord...we didn't have any protective gear on and were ordered very specifically to leave it in the carrier because it looks aggressive..."<BR/>In my old Force, one of the Inspectors got hit on the head by a brick during football disorder. The net result of the incident was that we would kit up at the slightest sniff of impending violence.<BR/>Anyway it is PROTECTIVE gear and quite frankly looking aggressive in those kinds of situation is no bad thing.blueknighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18409655604657713593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-21036488527581970862009-01-26T18:38:00.000+00:002009-01-26T18:38:00.000+00:00Bentham - I wrote the post the next morning and ga...Bentham - I wrote the post the next morning and gave you the information we were briefed about the night before. The truck was hired by the organisers and although blocking most of the road there was sufficient room on either side for people to leave and the road was not blocked by the Police at that point. When the crowd stopped it was of their own accord. <BR/><BR/>As for the update on injuries and what happened, at the North Gate one male pc was smacked around the head with a metal pole from a banner which dropped him and instigated the urgent assistance call. That was when the serial tried to stop people climbing over the gates and fence to the Russian Embassy to get through to Kensington Gardens, at least 3 other PC's were repeatedly kicked and punched including a female PC who was later pulled off duty because of concussion. In the photos of the north gate, they were the officers who had red paint thrown at them, all the other officers there were the relief serials sent in to help them out. <BR/><BR/>The PC reported as being knocked unconscious was a TSG officer who was severely injured after some cunt threw a brick sized metal bracket (that had been broken off of the barrier fencing) at his face from point blank range, it went through his visor and smashed his teeth and cheek, he was casevac'd whilst still unconscious. Another PC at the horse cordon end received a bottle to the face, also from point blank range which dropped him to the floor and caused cuts to his face, I think he is actually the one on the video being dragged off.<BR/><BR/>The latest update we've been given was 3 major injuries and around 25 minor injuries including concussion and severe bruising to male and female PC's. I know of at least another half dozen who had bruising from objects thrown at them on the cordon lines that weren't reported as injuries on duty.<BR/><BR/>Area - We tried to get our usual carrier teams there but duties weren't having any of it as were were at minimum strength as usual!!Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-71986561625350428472009-01-26T05:56:00.000+00:002009-01-26T05:56:00.000+00:00"we didn't have any protective gear on and were or..."we didn't have any protective gear on and were ordered very specifically to leave it in the carrier because it looks aggressive..."<BR/><BR/>For the sake of the holy feck - what happens when people get promoted above Inspector rank, do they have their brains transplanted into their backsides to give them something soft to sit on? The whole point about a visible deterrent is that it should be a deterrent. You'd have thought they would have learned this in the Falklands when the Argies had a look at their radar screen, saw HMS Endurance and fancied their chances. If the US Fifth Fleet was parked outside Port Stanley, they'd have stayed put in Buenos Aries, happily munching on their corned beef sarnies.<BR/><BR/>The same logic applies to the Old Bill. If you've got 100 people on a demo looking for a spot of bother, who are they going to pick on - the cohort of coppers clad in pink shirts with fluffy rubber truncheons and open-toed sandals, or the phalanx of police officers in full Robocop gear with big cans of pepper spray, riot batons and a hundred plasticuffs per man? <BR/><BR/>My guess is that faced with the latter, most of the pro-Gaza peace oxymorons would have suddenly remembered that they'd left the gas on. In which cast, it'd probably be a good plan to have the water cannon standing by in case their kitchens catch light - good opportunity for some community policing there, helping put out the flames in Mustafa's kitchen.Bridgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18313701092861282382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-7994839264353865192009-01-25T18:04:00.000+00:002009-01-25T18:04:00.000+00:00Were you down there last night? I was and (althoug...Were you down there last night? I was and (although some of the stuff being broadcast by their 'guest speakers was utter drivel') was relieved how well it went considering.<BR/><BR/>All home in time for tea and cakes.Area Trace No Searchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04397885435594392278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-63258398417354603642009-01-25T14:45:00.000+00:002009-01-25T14:45:00.000+00:00Just been watching some of the videos of the Israe...Just been watching some of the videos of the Israeli Embassy incident. The protester should really be ashamed of themselves.PC Plastic Fuzzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02116472192031098412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-67878609231039346692009-01-22T15:27:00.000+00:002009-01-22T15:27:00.000+00:00Like an awful lot of people, I lose respect for th...Like an awful lot of people, I lose respect for their message, however valid it may be, when they start chucking things at the police/wrecking private property etc. <BR/><BR/>We hear all about their "right to protest" but nothing at all about the responsibilities that accompany those rights. <BR/><BR/>Personally, if I was PM, I'd bill the organisers for the Police operation, and a bit more on top for the inconvenience!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-65996730616092759422009-01-22T15:13:00.000+00:002009-01-22T15:13:00.000+00:00@Metcountymounty(I'm referring to comments here an...@Metcountymounty<BR/>(I'm referring to comments here and on the fitwatch blog)<BR/><BR/>"There were NO pens at the march on the 10th. They had planned on the entire road being taken up by people (which of course it was) and had planned on allowing the entire march to be able to leave the street back in the direction of the parks."<BR/><BR/>There was a lorry parked across Kensington Road, near Princes' Gate, with a stage and bigscreen on the back, which formed an effective end to the loose pen leading from the embassy, especially given the repellent dullness of some speakers. The space left between the embassy, truck and barriers was ~4500 sq m, only adequate for at most 20,000 people tightly packed, and utterly impractical for a dispersal area.<BR/><BR/>Whoever was Gold for this demo has a lot more injuries to all sides to answer for as a result.<BR/><BR/>Also, in your blog post you say:<BR/>"One officer was knocked unconscious by a scaffolding pole, two received really bad facial injuries and the other officers (male and female) were kicked and punched repeatedly until a couple of PSU's managed to get to them."<BR/><BR/>while apparently talking about the North Gate, but this doesn't tally with the Met's PR about injuries (3 serious, 20 minor), and there's video footage (BBC?) of an unconscious officer being dragged away near the South Gate, but much later when full PPE was in use.<BR/><BR/>There appears to be no footage of scaffold poles or police casualties at the North Gate.<BR/><BR/>Are the Met's figures wrong, or were there two unconscious officers and four with facial injuries?benthamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17356503601343388721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-59853159088178019702009-01-21T19:50:00.000+00:002009-01-21T19:50:00.000+00:00Damo - we didn't have any protective gear on and w...Damo - we didn't have any protective gear on and were ordered very specifically to leave it in the carrier because it looks aggressive, even under coveralls because swampies know that we're practically in full kit if we've got them on. They kick, we shove them back, really really hard. My legs were bruised for a fortnight after the day of action on the sunday.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-61091712528702825532009-01-21T19:20:00.000+00:002009-01-21T19:20:00.000+00:00That must be sore. I suppose you would be wearing ...That must be sore. I suppose you would be wearing protective gear? Still they shouldn't be kicking you. I know if I was to do that to a Garda in Ireland, they'd kick the sh*t out of me. You should kick them back? Lols.Damo Mackerelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14225139210177653458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-36051031506260950452009-01-21T18:09:00.000+00:002009-01-21T18:09:00.000+00:00Damo - yep, got loads of that down at the climate ...Damo - yep, got loads of that down at the climate camp at Heathrow when they were shouting "armed with science" with great big placards whilst kicking us.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-37861059312612641042009-01-21T14:11:00.000+00:002009-01-21T14:11:00.000+00:00I believe that people who riot at demos are not th...I believe that people who riot at demos are not there for any particular reason other than to cause violence.<BR/><BR/>Is it true that some protesters (particularly the green variety) often march up to the police line, waving placards and kicking the police into the shins?Damo Mackerelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14225139210177653458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-59689290961557541042009-01-19T10:37:00.000+00:002009-01-19T10:37:00.000+00:00I am very much of the opinion that people who riot...I am very much of the opinion that people who riot at demos seriously undermine their own cause. They do it to get into the headlines and to undermine - in the minds of the ruling elite - confidence in police ability to bring such situations under control.<BR/><BR/>I think most "neutral" observers probably think to themselves "why can't they just protest peacefully".<BR/><BR/>Protests and demos are an important freedom, but nobody has the constitutional right to throw things and fight. It is classic "tribe" mentality: when people know it is difficult for individuals to be identified they do all sorts of things they would not dream of normally.<BR/><BR/>Of course, peaceful protests don't make good headlines so the media will never miss a chance to blow things out of all proportion. That is why I avoid newspapers and TV news...Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.com