tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post2537036419500341027..comments2023-06-14T02:00:19.132+01:00Comments on Sheepdogs & Wolves: Is she taking the piss?Metcountymountyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-91593596197530244212008-10-17T01:01:00.000+01:002008-10-17T01:01:00.000+01:00YES, Jacqui Smith IS taking the piss. I have just ...YES, Jacqui Smith IS taking the piss. I have just become aware of her plans, [allegedly supported by senior police and security officers] for a massive government database which will hold the details of EVERY email, phone call, text message and web-site visited. This of course is being proposed under the old chestnut of the "prevention of terrorism". <BR/><BR/>WHAT UTTER BOLLOX. This is nothing more than Gordon [Stalin]Brown's personal vision of complete state control over an overtaxed, oppressed people.<BR/><BR/>IF they did manage to bring this one in, any terrorist would most certainly become extra cautious about their communications. They would not be so careless as to let anything slip in texts, phone calls or emails. D'oh!!! But the state would then have the powers to snoop into EVERYONE'S personal lives. <BR/>YES, Jacqui Smith is taking the piss, and so is Gordon Brown, AND the senior police and security officers she claims are supporting this Orwellian intrusion.<BR/><BR/>They have beefed up this "terror threat" just like the WMD's dossier to justify the war with Iraq. They are trying to make out that the terrorist threat is far worse than it actually is. There was even one knobhead politician on BBC question time, who said that if people did not agree with this government proposal to invade our civil liberties, then those people are "supporting terrorists".<BR/><BR/>What utter twaddle. But what else can we expect from a bunch of Stalinist psycho control freaks. These people are more "terrifying" with what they are doing to this country than a few mad Muslim fanatics. Who SHOULD be thrown out of this country with no hesitation.<BR/>Human "rights" laws do NOT apply to people who seek to do harm to others. That was my understanding of the HR laws, when they were brought in a few years ago.<BR/><BR/>Doesn't Jacqui Smith et al understand, that all these databases holding our personal information is a violation of OUR Human Right to privacy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-51991511759500663892008-10-15T12:53:00.000+01:002008-10-15T12:53:00.000+01:00I never said I spend most of my time enforcing it,...I never said I spend most of my time enforcing it, I said we can and do use it instead of section 27 notices. The violent crime reduction act covers potential alcohol related disorder and the power to disperse one or more up to 48 hours, the one we use covers all forms of disorder, but I'm not going to go into the full details as I don't know how many other councils have the same type of bye law but I know neighbouring boroughs have something similar. <BR/><BR/>We use it predominantly to get rid of druggies, robbers and thieves from the designated area and then can nick them for breaking it. We can use it for alcohol related disorder, but to be honest there are so many people who we could serve it on we'd do nothing else, so it's used to disperse crime instead of pissheads.<BR/><BR/>An example; you live within the designated area and you see a guy hanging around, obviously dealing drugs but when the Police arrive they can't find anything on them. Taking into consideration the person stopped (previous convictions and intelligence specifically) the circumstances and the information from other people in the area we can disperse them for a set amount of time from the whole area, if they return within the time limit they can be arrested and charged. As a disruption tool it is quite effective, and the courts don't like it when people breach the order because it was put in place purely to make life better for the residents by getting rid of people who come there to exploit others.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-63386854942267305552008-10-14T10:32:00.000+01:002008-10-14T10:32:00.000+01:00I see. Thank you.And going back to an earlier post...I see. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>And going back to an earlier post of yours, which council bylaw is it that you said you spent most of your time enforcing when you are out on the steets?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-60474258466263923162008-10-14T10:24:00.000+01:002008-10-14T10:24:00.000+01:00anon 1754 - you kind of missed the whole reason th...anon 1754 - you kind of missed the whole reason the Police blogs started up and why there are more than ever haven't you? No I'm not really out on the streets a lot, I'm out on the street about half of the time at the moment, which I'm not happy about by a long shot. when I was a probie I could very easily have spent 35 hours of a 40 hour week inside dealing with admin and prisoners. If I didn't have to deal with any handovers from the previous shift I could probably stretch it to 10 hours out in total. <BR/><BR/>I'd love for my part of an arrest to take 30 mins but at the moment it doesn't, it's slightly better than it was thanks to the new custody system which everyone slated but has shaved about an hour off booking in time. As for all the rest of the superfluous nonsense? the new stop forms now take one minute instead of seven which is nice but we could use them considerably less. we'd still have to write a statement after arrest, a crime report could be shaved to about half the info and time could be stripped down considerably if they actually used a decent system instead of repeating info, but exhibits would still be the same, protecting scenes extra would be the same and so would dealing with any victims.<BR/><BR/>Unless we went back to zero physical evidence gathering for forensics, a crime report being nothing more than a custody booking in form and the courts not needing anything particular then we'll still spend time on admin. <BR/><BR/>we're as unhappy about as the rest of the world because we see it more and see how quickly our resources are stripped by it.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-87545073808683980482008-10-13T17:54:00.000+01:002008-10-13T17:54:00.000+01:00So you're not really out on the streets much at al...So you're not really out on the streets much at all then, is what you're saying?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-31699954908439861432008-10-13T14:52:00.000+01:002008-10-13T14:52:00.000+01:00anon 1037 - My own personal aim is to get ten a mo...anon 1037 - My own personal aim is to get ten a month, sometimes I hit that, sometimes more, sometimes less. We run a 12 hour shift pattern which works out as 15-16 working days a month so that's an arrest every other shift which isn't unreasonable. If you work an 8 hour pattern you work more days in the month an will probably make more arrests, it depends on the calls that we get sent to. sometimes we can go without making an arrest every couple of days, sometimes we can take in 2-3 a night which again isn't unreasonable, especially if they are drunk and have to be bedded down and handed over which makes it considerably easier to get back out. If you have indoor postings like front office or gaoler then you won't be out on the street, we also have other postings on team who wouldn't be sent to a call unless all others were tucked up.<BR/><BR/>Now that we have a new custody system it is actually quicker to get someone booked in. If there is no queue, they are compliant and don't have to have clothing seized and don't need to be strip searched, we can leave custody inside an hour. A basic handover file and statement again would take an hour, then half an hour for a crime report. So, even for the easiest arrest, 2.5 hours of work but as we mostly work in pairs one will do the custody bit as the other does the paperwork so we can usually get back out in around an hour. <BR/><BR/>If there is a queue, they are violent, have clothing seized or other exhibits, or if it is multi-handed job (such as 3-4 people nicked for gbh/burglary/car theft etc) then the time it takes goes up considerably. To make it easier then there will be an arresting officer for each bod, their partner will do the respective paperwork and someone will act as OIC and will collate everything, this is usually arresting officer who gets out of custody first if there is more than one arrest.<BR/><BR/>An example, one person nicked for gbh where the victim is punched and kicked to the floor, certainly not rare but severe enough to present life threatening injuries. <BR/><BR/>Everyone available will go to this because it is a life threatening situation and you don't know who can get there first so we all try. This could be one double crewed unit or seven (I wish) it just depends on what else has gone on and what people are tucked up with. The victim is found by one unit who will give whatever first aid they can until the ambulance arrives, they then control and secure the scene. Two police officers committed. A couple of witnesses are nearby and describe a suspect who is identified and detained close by. They are arrested by another unit (because the first are contaminated by proximity contact with the victim) and taken to custody. another two committed. The witnesses are taken back to the station where two officers take their statements so they can go home quickly. another two committed. So far you have six officers dealing with one gbh incident. In addition to those at least one Sgt and probably the Inspector will be overseeing the initial investigation and getting together other resources as appropriate. If there are more witnesses or more suspects then more officers deal.<BR/><BR/>At least one of the officers will go along with the victim to hospital for continuity of evidence and to seize clothing and pre-transfusion blood samples from the victim for evidence. This will usually be the first person to physically touch the victim for practicalities sake.<BR/><BR/>The other officer will then remain with the scene to preserve it for scenes of crime examination. Depending on the size of the scene you will have at least one officer. I've been to a murder at a park where there were over 15 officers on scene guard because the cordon was huge.<BR/>That officer will remain there until the scene is soco'd and CID confirm it can be closed down and cleaned by the council. This could be a number of hours later, though it is usually the next morning so it can be searched in the daylight.<BR/><BR/>The suspect will be booked in to custody and will have a number of exhibits seized, all their outer clothing and shoes, swab samples of their hands, photographs of clothing and injuries, possibly nail clippings and possibly hair combing if glass is involved. With an experienced pair this can take around 2-3 hours with everything being properly seized, exhibited, bagged/sealed and then organised.<BR/>After the suspect is put in the cell the arresting officer and his partner will write their statements collating all the evidence that has been seized, incident reports, put the crime report on and write up the handover for the investigators.<BR/><BR/>That is a best case scenario. Sometime we have no option but to deal with it with less people and if you get a busy shift where everyone gets at least one body then we're screwed. That's why we try not to nick any old rubbish because sods law says that as soon as everyone is tucked up then something goes pear shaped. And it usually does. Personally I'd much rather deal with a proper job than some drunken twat who doesn't know when to bugger off when asked.<BR/><BR/>As for normal time spent in the office, on a 12 hour reasonably busy shift without getting your own arrest probably half the time in the nick, dealing with crime reports, stop search forms, mispers etc but that changes daily depending on what happens.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-88755770617797912242008-10-13T10:37:00.000+01:002008-10-13T10:37:00.000+01:00Fair enough and no one is saying that you personal...Fair enough and no one is saying that you personally are a conspiratorial liar.<BR/><BR/>But on average how many arrests do you make a month and how many colleagues are involved in each arrest and what fraction of your time is spent in the office?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-56385122616393649722008-10-13T09:29:00.000+01:002008-10-13T09:29:00.000+01:00anon 0838 - who said anything about a gay communis...anon 0838 - who said anything about a gay communist? Gliese is a troll, I know they're a troll and the usual comment which I haven't published tells me that I was right. There are a few people who troll the police blogs who will twist any comment or argument and will not believe anything we put. I've no reason to lie but I've no intention of justifying myself or my actions and giving out specifics which could identify me or the incidents I deal with.<BR/><BR/>Suffice to say I don't like being in the office and would rather be outside and I don't do bullshit arrests for the sake of a detection or a figure, and I'm not going to risk a couple of years inside and losing my house and job by lying about what someone has done to get them arrested.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-25130563685795293922008-10-13T08:38:00.000+01:002008-10-13T08:38:00.000+01:00MCM, if someone disagrees with you or asks for det...MCM, if someone disagrees with you or asks for details about a statement that you make on a public forum, it does not make them a troll/couumunist/gay or whatever.<BR/><BR/>Your very flimsy reply, followed by insulting people who ask you questions, presents you in a very poor light to the rest of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-37637467602956528002008-10-12T11:20:00.000+01:002008-10-12T11:20:00.000+01:00My sentiments exactly - but then again hypocrisy i...My sentiments exactly - but then again hypocrisy is nothing new to politics. It's bread and butter in fact - the current government is about-facing so fast someone may well confuse Jacqui with a rather rotund spinning top shortly.<BR/><BR/>Oh and she can't bugger off back to teaching - she's a failed schoolteacher (check her history a bit more closely).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-7659694278668513272008-10-11T23:53:00.000+01:002008-10-11T23:53:00.000+01:00MCMPlease don't rise to the baiting by gliese 581c...MCM<BR/><BR/>Please don't rise to the baiting by gliese 581c who is clearly a knob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-47729396904224559832008-10-11T21:58:00.000+01:002008-10-11T21:58:00.000+01:00can I answer yes, will I? no. why? because you're ...can I answer yes, will I? no. why? because you're a troll who's just not going to believe anything I put anyway so why bother entertaining it. laters big fat planet boy.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-17866909346460686542008-10-11T09:56:00.000+01:002008-10-11T09:56:00.000+01:00A point?OK I shall be more specific, as to be brut...A point?<BR/><BR/>OK I shall be more specific, as to be brutally honest, all your squirming is truly cringe-worthy.<BR/><BR/>1)<BR/>This current month represents how many work hours? Including the ones when you're at the station blogging on work's time... and please don't give me all the drivel about Metguard<BR/><BR/><BR/>2)<BR/>And in this current month how many hours were you actually out there on the mean streets?<BR/><BR/>3)<BR/>And these heroic collars of yours. Sound good indeed but can you supply details For instance <BR/><BR/>- The D&D's: were these really just a a couple of tipsy student girls making homophobic remarks about horses?<BR/><BR/> - The drink drive : you spent an entire shift staking out a pub car park? ( Not a police pub though eh?)<BR/><BR/> - The burglary: you and five of your mates saw a skinny kid lurking by a fence?<BR/><BR/>Give DETAILS please, constable. If you can.<BR/><BR/>4) How many work hours so far this month for these few paltry collars - and how many officers involved in each one. Or did you do them all single handed?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Fair enough questions?<BR/><BR/><BR/>CAN you answer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-28835260662635396712008-10-10T22:36:00.000+01:002008-10-10T22:36:00.000+01:00gliese 581c - haven't met many aspies have you...gliese 581c - haven't met many aspies have you? one of the advantages of having a family member who teaches at a special needs school, I've actually met some, they're brutally honest. <BR/><BR/>Anyway.... nicked for text harassment? never, warned a few but none in the last couple of years actually. Same for section 27's, we don't need them or use them thanks to a beautiful thing called council byelaw, a good way to get druggies out of problem areas instead of letting them walk around like zombies begging people and asking them to sell them crack, not too nice for the guardian readers and city boys to see the nasty side of life when they just want to have a drink.<BR/><BR/>In the current month.. well, 2x D&D's, 1x GBH, 1x drink drive, 1x burglary so far and still a number of shifts to go, but thanks for asking.<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry, did you actually have a point?Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-88634291909267383302008-10-10T22:01:00.000+01:002008-10-10T22:01:00.000+01:00hmmm.... axes to grind, shame the real world is a ...hmmm.... axes to grind, shame the real world is a rough placeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-55216566910903875492008-10-09T22:54:00.000+01:002008-10-09T22:54:00.000+01:00...and how many section 27s have you pulled recent......and how many section 27s have you pulled recently? <BR/><BR/>How many times have you nicked someone for textual harrasment.<BR/><BR/>This past month.<BR/><BR/>If you are going to attempt to be honest, then be *completely* honest, eh?<BR/><BR/>(Strange concept for an Asperger's like you, I know .. but give it a try?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-56768887002093215702008-10-09T22:24:00.001+01:002008-10-09T22:24:00.001+01:00well cuddles, according to the burglary victims we...well cuddles, according to the burglary victims we dealt with the other night after nicking the suspects, and the family of the GBH victim we dealt with, yes. We're not going to change the world but if I can help some people along the way then yes I'm doing some good. Honest answer.Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-25112038377280835732008-10-09T22:24:00.000+01:002008-10-09T22:24:00.000+01:00Come on MCM, don't mince words - say what you feel...Come on MCM, don't mince words - say what you feel!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-44261141002036515882008-10-09T21:56:00.000+01:002008-10-09T21:56:00.000+01:00Honest Question: Do you *really* think that you ar...Honest Question: Do you *really* think that you are doing some good?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-73246232684846216602008-10-09T18:52:00.000+01:002008-10-09T18:52:00.000+01:00WEB, yep, I've seen a few from cuddles, just goes ...WEB, yep, I've seen a few from cuddles, just goes to show how short sentences really doesn't help with rehabilitating someone!!Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-46522552732720843042008-10-09T16:38:00.000+01:002008-10-09T16:38:00.000+01:00could your other entity be back on the rounds agai...could your other entity be back on the rounds again ? Seems like it from one of the comments left on mine.<BR/><BR/>came from here hhhdhd@jj.co.ukWhichendbiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10007093242950393006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-1589816196539054652008-10-08T19:37:00.000+01:002008-10-08T19:37:00.000+01:00LINKED TO YOU.LINKED TO YOU.TWININGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02863878224811013839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-16855321711106775882008-10-07T23:56:00.000+01:002008-10-07T23:56:00.000+01:00hahahaha!! so I did, forgot about that!!hahahaha!! so I did, forgot about that!!Metcountymountyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10481062180758614720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-37874094199120216362008-10-07T23:53:00.000+01:002008-10-07T23:53:00.000+01:00Ha ha, and ou told me to lay of the espresso!I had...Ha ha, and ou told me to lay of the espresso!<BR/><BR/>I hadn't read your blog or ages, but I am glad I came back!<BR/><BR/>angrymetAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2136725710155499318.post-16105462164282643992008-10-07T17:09:00.000+01:002008-10-07T17:09:00.000+01:00Top post mate. Totally agree.Top post mate. Totally agree.PC Plastic Fuzzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02116472192031098412noreply@blogger.com